Wiseco has powered the Big Foot monster truck team for many, many years. Now, our sister company, K1 Technologies, is also giving them power with its connecting rods! The team's newest truck, Major League Baseball, was unveiled during the All-Star Game festivities in Anaheim, CA July 9-13. Be sure to keep an eye out for these monsters during the year!
The guys from MA Performance put some serious power in an EvoM recently. They've reclaimed the highest horsepower stock ECU record! The guys used a set of custom Heavy Duty Wiseco pistons. Great job, guys!
The weekend of July 23-25 was great for Team Hondaworks this year. On Friday the team battled a Porsche 968 all day, sharing the top spot in the class, but came up 0.3 short in the end during the Grassroots Motorsports Ulitmate Track Car Challenge. The team also debuted their second Hondaworks Acura, which was good right out of the box! Don't miss them this weekend at the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course in Lexington, Ohio for the next SCCA World Challenge August 6-8.
Friday, September 10, 2010
Wednesday, August 4, 2010
Check out our updated R&D area!
Here at Wiseco, we are dedicated to staying at the forefront of technology for the industries we serve. Recently we upgraded our R&D facilities to continue improving the way we develop our products.
Wiseco's R&D department has always had two dyno rooms to develop products. During the upgrade, we improved air circulation, fuel/ water delivery systems, and purchased a new console. A third dyno room was added. This room is acoustic rated and includes a new rear wheel dynamometer. This new rear wheel dyno will assist us with developing our line of Fuel Management Controllers. Since the entire bike is on this dyno, our R&D engineers can easily adjust the three fuel zones to make the bike perform at its optimum levels.
Wiseco's R&D department has always had two dyno rooms to develop products. During the upgrade, we improved air circulation, fuel/ water delivery systems, and purchased a new console. A third dyno room was added. This room is acoustic rated and includes a new rear wheel dynamometer. This new rear wheel dyno will assist us with developing our line of Fuel Management Controllers. Since the entire bike is on this dyno, our R&D engineers can easily adjust the three fuel zones to make the bike perform at its optimum levels.
Many other improvements were made to the entire R&D area. These include new office furniture, upgraded lighting, painting, and a new epoxy floor treatment. There is now a designated area to store and display our past and current project and R&D vehicles.
Friday, July 2, 2010
That Girl Racing is rocking the NHRA Lucas Oil Series!
Wiseco is involved in many disciplines of racing, including snowmobile drag racing! We power That Girl Racing from Ontario, Canada, a mother and daughter team- Tiina and Kiersten Duncanson. These girls are awesome. They're currently running the NHRA Lucas Oil Series, which is at the Lebanon Valley Dragway in West Lebanon, New York, this weekend- as we speak! So far, they've won 2 Wally's!
I borrowed a photo of their new sled from their Facebook page below. They just got the hood painted and it looks amazing! Check out the That Girl Racing page on Facebook and cheer them on at the next NHRA event.
I borrowed a photo of their new sled from their Facebook page below. They just got the hood painted and it looks amazing! Check out the That Girl Racing page on Facebook and cheer them on at the next NHRA event.
Thursday, July 1, 2010
Here at Wiseco, we work very closely with our sister company K1 Technologies, in Byron Center, Michigan. K1 makes connecting rod sets and crankshafts for the domestic and sport compact automotive and V-Twin markets. The staff at K1 is committed to providing race quality parts at an affordable cost while delivering world-class customer service. In 2008, Wiseco and K1 teamed up to offer rotating combinations for the automotive market.
One of K1 Technologies' newest connecting rod sets is for the LS stroker engine, designed for big cubic inch blower and nitrous applications. Even with standard cam location and base circle cams, engine builders can run up to 4.375” stroke without fear of clearance issues. As a side benefit, notching in the crankcase is minimized, increasing strength and ease of assembly. Need help with strokes larger than 4.375”? K1 can help the engine builder determine the proper base circle and lobe lift required to bolt your engine together.
As will all K1 connecting rods, these 4340 H beams have thick blades for increased strength and double bridged caps for less bore distortion. Along with the industry’s tightest gram weight, dimensional tolerances, and K1’s proprietary ARP 2000 material asymmetrical thread bolts for equal thread loading when stretched, K1 is the right choice. Contact K1's friendly sales associates at 616-583-9700 or visit them on the web at www.k1technologies.com.
As will all K1 connecting rods, these 4340 H beams have thick blades for increased strength and double bridged caps for less bore distortion. Along with the industry’s tightest gram weight, dimensional tolerances, and K1’s proprietary ARP 2000 material asymmetrical thread bolts for equal thread loading when stretched, K1 is the right choice. Contact K1's friendly sales associates at 616-583-9700 or visit them on the web at www.k1technologies.com.
Wiseco has quite the line-up of pistons for the LS motor. Most of our LS pistons are in our forged racing line, but we've just introduced a set of LS pistons in our sportsman line, Pro Tru®. Our PT124 series pistons are designed for use with the factory connecting rods, using .943" diameter pins. Our engineers have applied a small .090" dome to bump its compression up slightly from stock. Designed for nitrous use, the pistons feature a .280" top land and 2618 alloy. They are also designed with valve pockets to accommodate the LS1, LS2, LS3, LS6, and any cathedral port aftermarket cylinder heads. Pistons come with ArmorGlide® skirt coating and a skirt shape that has been developed after years of feedback, making these some of the best wearing, quietest forged pistons on the market. Our Pro Tru® piston kits come complete with rings, pins, and clips. The PT124 series pistons yield 10.7:1 to 11.2:1 compression. Find more information on the PT124 series from our sales team at 800-321-1364 or check out our website at www.wiseco.com.
Friday, June 25, 2010
How well do you know "The Wiseco Story"? You might have seen it printed in one of our catalogs or on our website. Wiseco started out in Clyde Wiseman's garage in 1941 because he had a passion for racing boats. He started making his own pistons. His friends and family used the pistons and soon word started getting around about them. Clyde went from his garage to a shop. When he out grew his shop, he moved to Wiseco's current location in Mentor, Ohio.
Though Clyde is no longer with us, the team at Wiseco still feels the same passion. Most of us are former racers and enthusiasts. On any given day you’ll see a lineup of bikes or our favorite warm weather cars in the parking lot. We love the industry and want to see it continue to grow. That’s why we put so much passion into bringing you the best products on the market.
The Wiseco of today boasts over 150,000 square feet of state-of-the-art forging and CNC machining equipment. We are the only U.S. piston manufacturer with our own in-house forging facility. With fully stocked warehouses in Ontario, Canada and the Netherlands, we can service customers world-wide. Supplemented by our coast-to-coast domestic distribution system and international customers in Europe, South America, Africa, Australia, and Asia, you can get Wiseco products almost anywhere in the world!
Wiseco is dedicated to staying abreast of technology in the motorsports world. Our engineers use the latest 3D design and finite element analysis software to ensure every Wiseco design is developed to provide the greatest strength and lightest weight for each application. We’ve recently updated our in-house Dyno facility to continue to bringing you the top products on the market.
Wiseco started out nearly 70 years ago with only pistons. Fast forward to present time and you’ll find Wiseco offers electronics, clutch, valve train, and bottom end components to supplement our wide range of high performance, forged pistons for the Powersports, marine, and automotive markets. Check out our website for more information on each of our product lines. You can also see our products at the events we attend. If you aren’t doing anything this weekend, June 25-27, stop by our booth at the Snowshoe GNCC race in Snowshoe, West Virginia!
Though Clyde is no longer with us, the team at Wiseco still feels the same passion. Most of us are former racers and enthusiasts. On any given day you’ll see a lineup of bikes or our favorite warm weather cars in the parking lot. We love the industry and want to see it continue to grow. That’s why we put so much passion into bringing you the best products on the market.
The Wiseco of today boasts over 150,000 square feet of state-of-the-art forging and CNC machining equipment. We are the only U.S. piston manufacturer with our own in-house forging facility. With fully stocked warehouses in Ontario, Canada and the Netherlands, we can service customers world-wide. Supplemented by our coast-to-coast domestic distribution system and international customers in Europe, South America, Africa, Australia, and Asia, you can get Wiseco products almost anywhere in the world!
Wiseco is dedicated to staying abreast of technology in the motorsports world. Our engineers use the latest 3D design and finite element analysis software to ensure every Wiseco design is developed to provide the greatest strength and lightest weight for each application. We’ve recently updated our in-house Dyno facility to continue to bringing you the top products on the market.
Wiseco started out nearly 70 years ago with only pistons. Fast forward to present time and you’ll find Wiseco offers electronics, clutch, valve train, and bottom end components to supplement our wide range of high performance, forged pistons for the Powersports, marine, and automotive markets. Check out our website for more information on each of our product lines. You can also see our products at the events we attend. If you aren’t doing anything this weekend, June 25-27, stop by our booth at the Snowshoe GNCC race in Snowshoe, West Virginia!
Wednesday, June 16, 2010
It's the first event at Mid Ohio Sports Car Course this weekend!!
The first event of the season is at the Mid Ohio Sports Car Course. You going to be there for the action?
http://www.midohio.com/Home
They also conduct schools throughout the year!
http://www.midohio.com/Home
They also conduct schools throughout the year!
Friday, June 4, 2010
Wiseco John Penton GNCC Race This Weekend!
The Wiseco John Penton is this weekend in Millfield, Ohio at Sunday Creek Motocross. Why not grab the family and head out to see some great racing? You might be thinking, but it's always either raining or so dry the dust kicks up something fierce! Well, I've looked at the weather forecast and it doesn't look so bad, so maybe this year will be the year for great weather. With Wiseco's home in Ohio, we know how our weather can be. Regardless, the racers need us there to cheer them on!
Wiseco will have a display set up in vendor's row. You'll be able to see all our products for dirt bikes and ATV's. We've even included some samples of our V-Twin product for those of you who prefer cruising on your Harley®.
Come on out to Millfield for the Round 8 of the GNCC series- the Wiseco John Penton. Don't miss any of the action and stop by to say 'Hi' to us at the Wiseco booth on Saturday and Sunday.
Wiseco will have a display set up in vendor's row. You'll be able to see all our products for dirt bikes and ATV's. We've even included some samples of our V-Twin product for those of you who prefer cruising on your Harley®.
Come on out to Millfield for the Round 8 of the GNCC series- the Wiseco John Penton. Don't miss any of the action and stop by to say 'Hi' to us at the Wiseco booth on Saturday and Sunday.
Friday, May 28, 2010
You gonna be at Bike Days this weekend?
No plans for the Memorial Day weekend? Check out Bike Days at the Stark County Fairgrounds in Canton, Ohio on Saturday and Sunday! You'll see some great half-mile flat track racing and be able to browse the swap meet. We're having some great weather here in Ohio, so it should be a great time!
http://www.bikedays.com/index.html
http://www.bikedays.com/index.html
Monday, May 24, 2010
Drag Fever at Summit Motorsports Park
We attended the 4th annual B'laster Cavalcade of Stars at Summit Motorsports Park the weekend of May 15th and would you believe the crowd!!!! This race brought one of the biggest crowds- 40,000 people- forcing officials to close the gates at 5pm on Saturday when they hit capacity! These 40,000 people came out to watch 557 cars battle it out for the top spots. The Wiseco team was there to support Summit and had a booth set up in the midway. We had 2 of our automotive sales team members answering questions and talking with racers. Thank you to everyone who stopped by to see us!
The results of the weekend? Matt Short won the Carribean cruise for the 2nd year in a row on his Wiseco powered Kawasaki in the Wiseco Cycletech Super Bike Top 16 run-off! Another Wiseco powered racer- Steve Schnmidt- won the Super Comp class with our new Quick 16 pistons. Check out all the results and find out more about Summit Motorsports Park at http://www.summitmotorsportspark.com/.
Are you interested in going for the win with Wiseco's Quick 16 pistons or possibly our newest Quick 8 series pistons? Give us a call to find out what we can offer you! Both series of pistons were designed with input from today's leading engine builders!
Wiseco's Quick 16 series pistons are loaded with features including antidetonation grooves, vertical gas ports, ArmorGlide® skirt coating, 'Pro Stock' pressure seal grooves, reinforced decks, and profiled domes for Nitrous use. We've put the most popular compression heights and ring packages for today's most popular combinations and power adders on the shelf, so you can get them without going custom!
http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/Wiseco-BBChevyQuick16.pdf
Wiseco even offers K1 Technologies crankshafts and connecting rod sets so you can make your own rotating combination! Contact us to find out what combinations we can offer you!
The results of the weekend? Matt Short won the Carribean cruise for the 2nd year in a row on his Wiseco powered Kawasaki in the Wiseco Cycletech Super Bike Top 16 run-off! Another Wiseco powered racer- Steve Schnmidt- won the Super Comp class with our new Quick 16 pistons. Check out all the results and find out more about Summit Motorsports Park at http://www.summitmotorsportspark.com/.
Are you interested in going for the win with Wiseco's Quick 16 pistons or possibly our newest Quick 8 series pistons? Give us a call to find out what we can offer you! Both series of pistons were designed with input from today's leading engine builders!
Wiseco's Quick 16 series pistons are loaded with features including antidetonation grooves, vertical gas ports, ArmorGlide® skirt coating, 'Pro Stock' pressure seal grooves, reinforced decks, and profiled domes for Nitrous use. We've put the most popular compression heights and ring packages for today's most popular combinations and power adders on the shelf, so you can get them without going custom!
http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/Wiseco-BBChevyQuick16.pdf
The Quick 8 series pistons include 8 part numbers to cover 24 possible combinations! They come with "universal" solid domes and valve pockets, to be dome, dish, or flat top compatible. We even have 4 part numbers to fit 12-14 degree applications. These 'fits all' pistons are available from our shelves, relieving downtime from custom product. We've included heavy duty wrist pins, gas porting, ArmorGlide® skirt coating, and a strutted forging as standard features on these pistons.
http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/Wiseco-Chevy-Quick-8-Piston-Kits.pdf
Wiseco even offers K1 Technologies crankshafts and connecting rod sets so you can make your own rotating combination! Contact us to find out what combinations we can offer you!
Wednesday, May 12, 2010
Join Wiseco on June 5-6 for the Wiseco John Penton GNCC Race!!
If you’ve been following the GNCC series, you’ve seen the results from River Ranch, the General, Steele Creek, Big Buck, Loretta’s, and Yadkin Valley. These can be the toughest races around! Remember the mud at Steele Creek that halted lap 6 of the XC2 race? There are 3 more exciting races coming up before the summer break- Mountain Ridge, Snowshoe, and the Wiseco John Penton!
Join us in Millfield, Ohio on June 5 and 6 to see all the greats- Chris Borich, Paul Whibley, and Johnny Gallagher just to name a few. These guys battle it out for the top spots in the XC1 bike and quad classes each weekend. Wiseco will have a display in vendor’s row to answer your questions and, of course, see our sponsored racers!
What will you see at the Wiseco display in vendor’s row? Of course you’ll see our pistons. They’re strong enough for 9-time GNCC champ Bill Ballance, so you know they last! You can check out our new fuel management controllers for bikes and ATV’s. These controllers tune your EFI without a computer or dyno. Just take your bike or ATV for a lap around the track, stop, adjust, and you’re on your way. Who wouldn’t want on-the-fly tuning when it matters most?
We’ll have our forged clutch components on display. Come find out why we are the only one who puts a Lifetime Warranty on our forged baskets, inner hubs, and pressure plates. You’ll also see our line of camshafts. Our cams give you additional power across the low end, mid range, and top end, depending on application. What’s better is that you get these gains on a cam that is designed as a drop-in OEM replacement! No engine or head mods are necessary when replacing with a Wiseco cam. Polished lobes reduce friction and wear. Though we’ve started with a limited number of models, you won’t be disappointed.
Drop by the Wiseco display during the Wiseco John Penton GNCC race on June 5 and 6 to check out our products and meet members of our technical sales team. Cheer on our Wiseco powered racers and check out what Wiseco can offer for your vehicle.
To see the full GNCC race schedule or to see current results, go to www.GNCCracing.com.
Join us in Millfield, Ohio on June 5 and 6 to see all the greats- Chris Borich, Paul Whibley, and Johnny Gallagher just to name a few. These guys battle it out for the top spots in the XC1 bike and quad classes each weekend. Wiseco will have a display in vendor’s row to answer your questions and, of course, see our sponsored racers!
What will you see at the Wiseco display in vendor’s row? Of course you’ll see our pistons. They’re strong enough for 9-time GNCC champ Bill Ballance, so you know they last! You can check out our new fuel management controllers for bikes and ATV’s. These controllers tune your EFI without a computer or dyno. Just take your bike or ATV for a lap around the track, stop, adjust, and you’re on your way. Who wouldn’t want on-the-fly tuning when it matters most?
We’ll have our forged clutch components on display. Come find out why we are the only one who puts a Lifetime Warranty on our forged baskets, inner hubs, and pressure plates. You’ll also see our line of camshafts. Our cams give you additional power across the low end, mid range, and top end, depending on application. What’s better is that you get these gains on a cam that is designed as a drop-in OEM replacement! No engine or head mods are necessary when replacing with a Wiseco cam. Polished lobes reduce friction and wear. Though we’ve started with a limited number of models, you won’t be disappointed.
Drop by the Wiseco display during the Wiseco John Penton GNCC race on June 5 and 6 to check out our products and meet members of our technical sales team. Cheer on our Wiseco powered racers and check out what Wiseco can offer for your vehicle.
To see the full GNCC race schedule or to see current results, go to www.GNCCracing.com.
Wednesday, May 5, 2010
Are you getting the full potential out of your 2010 YZ450F or CRF250R?
If you’re racing your 2010 Honda CRF250R or Yamaha YZ450F this race season, Wiseco has the products for you. We have recently released 2010 model year pistons for these two applications. You get all the features you expect from Wiseco, including each part being built on a dedicated forging. We’re giving you a light weight part with the superior strength you need to race the weekend. Both pistons come with our ArmorGlide™ skirt coating to reduce friction, getting the maximum horsepower from your bike. You can choose stock compression to match OEM compression or high compression to maximize the torque and throttle response to the bike.
Check out our clutch and valve train components, along with our fuel management controllers, to complete your build!
See more information on our new 2010 Honda CRF250R and Yamaha YZ450F pistons at www.Wiseco.com. Or give our sales team a call at 800-321-1364/ 440-951-6600.
Pricing (Retail)- Wiseco CRF250R $187.97 to $223.68; YZ450F $209.95 to $229.95.
Check out our clutch and valve train components, along with our fuel management controllers, to complete your build!
See more information on our new 2010 Honda CRF250R and Yamaha YZ450F pistons at www.Wiseco.com. Or give our sales team a call at 800-321-1364/ 440-951-6600.
Pricing (Retail)- Wiseco CRF250R $187.97 to $223.68; YZ450F $209.95 to $229.95.
Monday, March 22, 2010
Jesse Masterpool
Our thoughts and prayers go out to the family of Jesse Masterpool. Jesse died from a head injury on Saturday the 20th sustained at the Lake Whitney Amateur National. Everyone here at Wiseco knew Jesse as a member of the Rockstar Makita Suzuki team, a Wiseco sponsored team. At just 14 years old he was a top 85cc/ Supermini racer. He will be dearly missed.
We've provided the link for Jesse's website. There you will find the official statement from his family. R.I.P. Jesse and please send all your strength and prayers to his family during this difficult time.
http://www.jessemasterpool.com/
We've provided the link for Jesse's website. There you will find the official statement from his family. R.I.P. Jesse and please send all your strength and prayers to his family during this difficult time.
http://www.jessemasterpool.com/
Thursday, January 21, 2010
Look what Wiseco has been up to!
Whether you are a powersports or auto person, Wiseco has it all for you. We have teamed up with our sister company, K1 Technologies, to offer rotating assembly combinations so we have what you need- only one stop. Check out the video link below to learn more about K1 Technologies and Wiseco.
http://video.streetlegaltv.com/video/11604
Now, for those of you who want to fine tune your street bike, V-Twin, ATV, or dirt bike, we have Fuel Management Controllers to help you out. Our testers have seen some great gains and improvements when they use the Wiseco controller and you can too. It's so easy to use and understand. Just plug it in and fine tune on the fly! Simply pull over and stop your vehicle and tune away! The guys at Motocross Action tested out our CRF450 project bike. Check out the link below to see what they thought. If you like what you read, give our sales team a call and order one up for yourself.
http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/MediaSpotlights/Wiseco-CRF450-Motocross-Action-Review.pdf
http://video.streetlegaltv.com/video/11604
Now, for those of you who want to fine tune your street bike, V-Twin, ATV, or dirt bike, we have Fuel Management Controllers to help you out. Our testers have seen some great gains and improvements when they use the Wiseco controller and you can too. It's so easy to use and understand. Just plug it in and fine tune on the fly! Simply pull over and stop your vehicle and tune away! The guys at Motocross Action tested out our CRF450 project bike. Check out the link below to see what they thought. If you like what you read, give our sales team a call and order one up for yourself.
http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/MediaSpotlights/Wiseco-CRF450-Motocross-Action-Review.pdf
Tuesday, November 24, 2009
Friday, November 13, 2009
Wiseco's pistons continue to wow the crowds and our customers! Check out some achievements from our customers.
With SEMA behind us and PRI coming up quickly, Wiseco's auto department has been busy! Many of our customers have also been busy racing with our pistons. Check out what some of them have done!
Jay Norris of Norris racing engines had this to say about his latest set of custom pistons on Wiseco’s Quick 16 forging. Jay’s 532ci Dart pro 1 headed test mule produced 984 hp and 747 torque with a small carb., .775 lift bracket cam, and 13.9:1 compression. The engine was just off the dyno and he wrote us a letter with the results: '“I was very impressed with the dimensional accuracy and consistency, along with better than excellent surface finish. The ring lands were so flat that we registered over 22in. vacuum on this wet sump system (we actually had to change pulleys in order to slow down the pump). MY COMPLIMENTS ON A JOB WELL DONE! It is refreshing to see a manufacturer actually listen and perform accordingly instead of the usual “we can’t do that because…”'
Two Brother’s Racing in Tempe Arizona are long time users Wiseco pistons in their Turbo Supra builds. They’re currently the 2nd fastest 6 speed Supra (with a relatively un-lightened car) running 8.20’s at 183! They’ve got a few things up their sleeve for the upcoming year, but their stroker 2jz currently produces in the neighborhood of 1700 wheel horsepower (283hp per cylinder!). They pull their engines down for inspection roughly every 100 runs and report “Wiseco pistons look really great and we just put them back in again!” No doubt their excellent tuning contributes to this, but the Supra crowd continues to amaze.
Long time customer Aaron Bunch at ATS racing of Denton Texas reports their latest 2311cc 3sgte build (1993cc’s standard) spooled a gt38 turbo at 3500rpm (about 1000 rpm sooner than normal!). He’s up to 480 at the wheels on pump gas which is 3 times the power of a stock engine! He also reports many of his crew has gotten into stand up jet ski’s lately. They’ve got Wiseco’s in those as well and they the prop off with roughly 175 horsepower!
Good job guys, keep pushing it!
Jay Norris of Norris racing engines had this to say about his latest set of custom pistons on Wiseco’s Quick 16 forging. Jay’s 532ci Dart pro 1 headed test mule produced 984 hp and 747 torque with a small carb., .775 lift bracket cam, and 13.9:1 compression. The engine was just off the dyno and he wrote us a letter with the results: '“I was very impressed with the dimensional accuracy and consistency, along with better than excellent surface finish. The ring lands were so flat that we registered over 22in. vacuum on this wet sump system (we actually had to change pulleys in order to slow down the pump). MY COMPLIMENTS ON A JOB WELL DONE! It is refreshing to see a manufacturer actually listen and perform accordingly instead of the usual “we can’t do that because…”'
Two Brother’s Racing in Tempe Arizona are long time users Wiseco pistons in their Turbo Supra builds. They’re currently the 2nd fastest 6 speed Supra (with a relatively un-lightened car) running 8.20’s at 183! They’ve got a few things up their sleeve for the upcoming year, but their stroker 2jz currently produces in the neighborhood of 1700 wheel horsepower (283hp per cylinder!). They pull their engines down for inspection roughly every 100 runs and report “Wiseco pistons look really great and we just put them back in again!” No doubt their excellent tuning contributes to this, but the Supra crowd continues to amaze.
Long time customer Aaron Bunch at ATS racing of Denton Texas reports their latest 2311cc 3sgte build (1993cc’s standard) spooled a gt38 turbo at 3500rpm (about 1000 rpm sooner than normal!). He’s up to 480 at the wheels on pump gas which is 3 times the power of a stock engine! He also reports many of his crew has gotten into stand up jet ski’s lately. They’ve got Wiseco’s in those as well and they the prop off with roughly 175 horsepower!
Good job guys, keep pushing it!
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